#openttdcoop

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Channel ID:      (('incursion1806', 1806),)
  Channel Name:    Incursion in 
  Listener:        Vinerable Sin
  Session started: 2015.01.19 19:10:32
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[ 2015.01.19 19:10:33 ] EVE System > Attention all capsuleers: Sansha's Nation forces have staged an incursion of the Ahrnot constellation. Local empire navies are standing by to protect against planetary abductions. Reinforcements are required to actively remove the threat.CONCORD has created this channel to aid in the organization of capsuleer fleets willing to fight the Sansha. All pilots who offer assistance will be rewarded.Authorized by Operation Ishaeka Commander Vieve Creston, DED Special OperationsCONCORD cannot guarantee the operational security of this channel. Attendants are advised to use caution when sharing intelligence.
[ 2015.01.19 19:22:08 ] Ron McIndustry > M o
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[ 2015.01.19 20:24:37 ] Aqustin Agustus > what kind of ship do i need to join one of these fleetS?
[ 2015.01.19 20:25:03 ] Scirocco B > Armor =)
[ 2015.01.19 20:25:21 ] Scirocco B > join the channel, follow the info links to basic fittings, or ask questions =)
[ 2015.01.19 20:25:28 ] Aqustin Agustus > what channel?
[ 2015.01.19 20:25:33 ] Scirocco B > The Ditanian Fleet
[ 2015.01.19 20:32:15 ] Vicious Knid > remain to take a big book to stuff down your trousers when they get buthurt with you :)
[ 2015.01.19 20:33:46 ] Xaroth Brook > we generally don't get butthurt
[ 2015.01.19 20:33:50 ] Scirocco B > o.O ok...well to each their own. only people that have been run out of TDF was liars and asshats.
[ 2015.01.19 20:34:10 ] Ark Zxr > ^^^^
[ 2015.01.19 20:35:21 ] Burckun Nudnyi > Hostakoh*
[ 2015.01.19 20:36:33 ] Scirocco B > Anyhow, if you like flying armor ships. join  The Ditanian Fleet
[ 2015.01.19 20:37:09 ] Vicious Knid > (don't forget the stiff book)
[ 2015.01.19 20:37:37 ] Scirocco B > Vicious Knid did you earn a ban at some point? you're sounding kinda salty...
[ 2015.01.19 20:58:52 ] Vulkan Vuld > Scirocco B Dont you guys ban anyone who flies with another community?
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:09 ] Xaroth Brook > that really depends on what other community
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:24 ] Vulkan Vuld > so any other armor community
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:29 ] Vulkan Vuld > or shield communities
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:30 ] Xaroth Brook > not really
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:39 ] Xaroth Brook > there are a few who condone their members to gank our fleet members
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:52 ] Vulkan Vuld > I have never heard anything of the sort
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:53 ] Xaroth Brook > so at some point we have to take measures to protect our own
[ 2015.01.19 20:59:59 ] Scirocco B > ^^
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:01 ] Xaroth Brook > you've been living under a rock then
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:14 ] Vulkan Vuld > Nah bro, I fly with many communities
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:20 ] Vulkan Vuld > except TVP and TDF
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:30 ] Vulkan Vuld > so unless its TVP, no one else says such things
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:38 ] Vulkan Vuld > and I cant fly with TDF, because my main is banned
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:57 ] Xaroth Brook > well, the -last- time another group tried something
[ 2015.01.19 21:00:58 ] Xaroth Brook > it was IIC
[ 2015.01.19 21:01:34 ] Xaroth Brook > and yes, I have the killmail for it
[ 2015.01.19 21:01:34 ] Vulkan Vuld > really? i flew with them for awhile, never was told something like that
[ 2015.01.19 21:02:06 ] Xaroth Brook > there's a lot that goes around in the upper echelons of communities that most people do not see
[ 2015.01.19 21:02:21 ] Vulkan Vuld > Oh I know, I used to be an FC
[ 2015.01.19 21:02:27 ] Scirocco B > translation: there's butt hurt behing closed doors too.
[ 2015.01.19 21:02:35 ] Vulkan Vuld > but a single killmail doesnt really prove another community is out to get out
[ 2015.01.19 21:02:37 ] Xaroth Brook > not even FCs see all of it
[ 2015.01.19 21:03:20 ] Scirocco B > lol shall we forward the evemail from a certain FC declairing all out war no TDF? then link the screenshots of them being welcome in other communities?
[ 2015.01.19 21:03:26 ] Jarian Zell > thats because youre all agy
[ 2015.01.19 21:03:28 ] Jarian Zell > gay
[ 2015.01.19 21:03:50 ] Scirocco B > I'm not gay, I just claim to have the smallest penis in eve...
[ 2015.01.19 21:03:55 ] Vulkan Vuld > I mean, anyone can say things and make claims, but it's not like its really important, incursions are so insignificant
[ 2015.01.19 21:04:26 ] Jarian Zell > and so is farmville
[ 2015.01.19 21:04:31 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
[ 2015.01.19 21:05:16 ] Rob Dalvik > This is kinda funny to watch. No wonder everyone mentions how toxic incursion communities are.
[ 2015.01.19 21:05:20 ] Civ Zomas > ... but I thought internet spaceships were serious business.
[ 2015.01.19 21:05:26 ] Xaroth Brook > incursions, in general, are quite toxic
[ 2015.01.19 21:05:41 ] Xaroth Brook > but on a day-to-day basis, there's not that much toxicity
[ 2015.01.19 21:06:09 ] Xaroth Brook > thankfully the toxic people gather up in their own cesspools of fail
[ 2015.01.19 21:06:14 ] Civ Zomas > Incursions are competitive. That brings out the worst in some people.
[ 2015.01.19 21:06:37 ] Scirocco B > or the best. it really depends upon the person in question.
[ 2015.01.19 21:06:54 ] Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook > thankfully the toxic people gather up in their own cesspools of failarmor
[ 2015.01.19 21:07:02 ] Biosoga > its a good system of the down song
[ 2015.01.19 21:07:26 ] Xaroth Brook > Jarian Zell not really
[ 2015.01.19 21:07:41 ] Xaroth Brook > unless you can explain me -how- armor is toxic
[ 2015.01.19 21:08:02 ] Jarian Zell > im jess fukkin around, nm
[ 2015.01.19 21:08:03 ] Skadi Winter > how to turn off incursion sounds. it is annoying
[ 2015.01.19 21:08:26 ] Civ Zomas > Armor isn't intrinsically bad. Some communities make it seem that way though.
[ 2015.01.19 21:08:59 ] Anan Y'mus > it's not weather they are good for bad..
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:04 ] akioshi chikuma > armor is awesome however 1600 plates are not XD
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:06 ] Anan Y'mus > its if you can fly them correctly.
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:10 ] Vulkan Vuld > armor is better than shields, but most people think you need a plate on everything to work
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:26 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:29 ] Vulkan Vuld > or the "reps land at the end of the cycle" which means nothing
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:31 ] Anan Y'mus > Thats not the issue lol
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:33 ] Xaroth Brook > dude
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:36 ] Xaroth Brook > my mach goes 2500m/s
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:43 ] Xaroth Brook > i laugh at 1600mm plates
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:48 ] Xaroth Brook > they just make me bump shit harder
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:50 ] Anan Y'mus > machs have speed boosts...
[ 2015.01.19 21:09:57 ] Xaroth Brook > I can make a deltole go 5km/s
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:06 ] Anan Y'mus > sexy
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:09 ] Vulkan Vuld > Last time I tried to x for TDF i was told plate or slaves
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:09 ] Anan Y'mus > very unf
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:12 ] Vulkan Vuld > which is dumb
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:17 ] Anan Y'mus > xD
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:28 ] Xaroth Brook > Vulkan Vuld we fly safety first
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:37 ] Xaroth Brook > we run specialized VG fleets who fly without stuff like that
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:46 ] Vulkan Vuld > I mean in HQs
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:53 ] Xaroth Brook > you'll melt if you don't have a plate
[ 2015.01.19 21:10:54 ] Jarian Zell > do you use the wacsendancy stuff yet?
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:03 ] Vulkan Vuld > Xaroth Brook you really wont
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:14 ] Vulkan Vuld > if your logis are decent
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:21 ] Xaroth Brook > the thing is
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[ 2015.01.19 21:11:28 ] Xaroth Brook > armor logi repairs at the end of a cycle
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:32 ] Vulkan Vuld > that
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:33 ] Vulkan Vuld > means
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:34 ] Vulkan Vuld > nothing
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:37 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:37 ] Xaroth Brook > it means everything
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:42 ] Anan Y'mus > Well.
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:43 ] Scirocco B > <-- has seen hero no plate ships in TCRCs... its very amusing. and btw, the broadcast was on time, and the logis were on the ball....so your argument that you dont' need a plat ein a HQ is invalid.
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:44 ] Xaroth Brook > it means that between logis noticing people getting damage
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:47 ] Xaroth Brook > and people getting reps
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:52 ] Xaroth Brook > is at least 5 seconds
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:52 ] Anan Y'mus > Everything can't exists with nothing.
[ 2015.01.19 21:11:56 ] Anan Y'mus > so.
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:01 ] Xaroth Brook > 3.5 for the actual cycle, 1.5 for the lock
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:12 ] Xaroth Brook > and that's granting that the logis are superhuman and have a neigh-instant resposne time
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:15 ] Vulkan Vuld > I feel like that is just made up, because a logi reaction time is the same regardless of the ship
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:21 ] Vulkan Vuld > you should just hold your logi to higher standards
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:25 ] Xaroth Brook > as i said
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:29 ] Xaroth Brook > that's without logi response time
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:30 ] Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook r u using acsendancys yet?
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:33 ] Xaroth Brook > 1.5 second ship lock time
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:36 ] Xaroth Brook > 3.5 second cycle time
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:43 ] Xaroth Brook > means reps will always come at least 5 seconds after damage does
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:44 ] Vulkan Vuld > again, it's the same for shields.
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:47 ] Juli Paris > http://thevalhallaproject.info/  The Valhalla Project up to  http://i.imgur.com/x6xrnm8.png
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:48 ] Xaroth Brook > no it's not
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:53 ] Xaroth Brook > shield repairs at the START of the cycle
[ 2015.01.19 21:12:59 ] Xaroth Brook > 1.5 second lock time, instant reps
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:03 ] Xaroth Brook > vs 5 second for reps
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:11 ] Vulkan Vuld > I understand this, but again, it means little
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:19 ] Xaroth Brook > then you don't understant it at all
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:38 ] Vulkan Vuld > I fly an oni in pvp
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:43 ] Vulkan Vuld > and a guardian
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:48 ] Scirocco B > Vulkan Vuld how abou tthis, you fit any way you like, come and join my HQ fleet. We have 10 logi. Lets see if you survive with skinny fit armor. =)
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:51 ] Jarian Zell > Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook r u using acsendancys yet?
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:52 ] John Muillaart > can I join a fleet?
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:54 ] Xaroth Brook > I've seen overtanked paladins go from 100% armor to 10% armor in 3 seconds
[ 2015.01.19 21:13:59 ] Xaroth Brook > Jarian: not outside VGs, no
[ 2015.01.19 21:14:03 ] John Muillaart > I'm looking for fleet to do incursions together
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[ 2015.01.19 21:14:40 ] Eyeballingyou > iv been trying to get some help in the help channel but ther are all thick as shit in there these days and ignorant. can i ask anyone in here about poco's?
[ 2015.01.19 21:14:58 ] Vulkan Vuld > I'm sure that if you hold your logi to higher standards, instead of coddling theem, you would be able to fly 'skinny' fits and have faster site times
[ 2015.01.19 21:15:30 ] Jarian Zell > Vulkan Vuld r u using axsendacys yet?
[ 2015.01.19 21:15:40 ] Scirocco B > considering I am a logistics lvl 5 pilot, FC, I do hold them to a high standard.
[ 2015.01.19 21:15:52 ] Eyeballingyou > forums mention that poco's reinforce at 25% shields.. im wondering if they require fuel for that or if it's a generic attribute for all poco's..?
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:01 ] Vulkan Vuld > I have ascendancies with omega, and a geno set
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:05 ] Vulkan Vuld > it dpends on what I fly
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:13 ] Rob Dalvik > poco's? this is incursions, wtf you asking about pocos for
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:23 ] GermxXx > ask in help chat
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:24 ] Xaroth Brook > no idea, eyeball
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:31 ] Darian Kern > Vulkan Vuld i have run with armor fleets for over a year and for 1 week i tried shields and seen more ships go boom in that 1 week than in an entire year of armor
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:32 ] Vulkan Vuld > that being said, armor reps repair more to compensate for your 'end of cycle'
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:40 ] Eyeballingyou > because ppl in here might know more than the idiots in help chat.
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:42 ] Xaroth Brook > sup kern
[ 2015.01.19 21:16:49 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > Eyeballingyou yes they all do that autonmaticaly
[ 2015.01.19 21:17:19 ] Vulkan Vuld > Eyeballingyou pocos reinforce at 25% yes for 24h
[ 2015.01.19 21:17:25 ] Vulkan Vuld > then you come back and finish them off
[ 2015.01.19 21:17:43 ] Eyeballingyou > k, cheers.
[ 2015.01.19 21:17:52 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > not for 24 hours, you as an owner can set them any rf cycle you want, sometimes it can be more than 24 hours
[ 2015.01.19 21:17:55 ] Vinerable Sin > Eyeballingyou may i ask you a question?
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:02 ] Eyeballingyou > shoot
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:05 ] Vulkan Vuld > Koizumi Atsuchi thats very wrong
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:22 ] Vulkan Vuld > because then someone could set the reinforce timer to infinite
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:25 ] Scirocco B > Large Remote Shield Booster II  Large Remote Armor Repairer II  where are you getting, armor reppers repair more. they both return 384 points.
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:28 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > ok whatever, im not here to argue
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:31 ] Eyeballingyou > i read that on a forum as well Koizumi Atsuchi ..
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:33 ] Vinerable Sin > if your optimal is 12 and falloff is 64... would you do more damage to a target doing 0m/s at falloff or optimal?
[ 2015.01.19 21:18:45 ] Eyeballingyou > anyway, thanks for the help.
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:01 ] Eyeballingyou > was asking in help chat, nobody answered.
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:02 ] GermxXx > Vinerable Sin optimal is better if they are standing still
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:40 ] Rob Dalvik > o.O isnt optimal always better than falloff regardless?
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:47 ] GermxXx > well yes and no
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:49 ] Vinerable Sin > true, but if it is doing 0m/s... then it really doesn't matter.
[ 2015.01.19 21:19:59 ] Rob Dalvik > they're separate reductions to damage
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:01 ] Scirocco B > if you shoot in falloff, theoreticly you get slightly better tracking reults.
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:03 ] Rob Dalvik > if Im not mistaken
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:13 ] Scirocco B > but its probably offset by the lower overall damage.
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:20 ] GermxXx > see, if they are moving fast, them being far away reduces the transversal and you might hit better
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:22 ] Rob Dalvik > right, but they are independent
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:30 ] Rob Dalvik > radial, but yea
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:37 ] Vinerable Sin > angular! not radial!
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:41 ] GermxXx > well that also
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:49 ] Rob Dalvik > mea culpa
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:50 ] Ark Zxr > whats the best way to fit a tengu for ded sites ?
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:51 ] Rob Dalvik > is what I meant
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:52 ] GermxXx > ttwo of them
[ 2015.01.19 21:20:57 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal doesnt mean shit really
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:09 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik absolutely 100% inaccurate statement
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:15 ] Iceberg Simpson > 420 do science everyday,
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:15 ] Scirocco B > ^^
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:19 ] GermxXx > anyway, further = better if they move but optimal is better than faloff.. so it depends on the situation
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:31 ] GermxXx > but if they stand still, then optimal is obv. better
[ 2015.01.19 21:21:46 ] Rob Dalvik > angular is a usable metric for damage application, transversal is not
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:02 ] Ark Zxr > why does it eben matter if their moving or not so long as ur doing dps and they are taking hits
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:07 ] Ark Zxr > even*
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:20 ] GermxXx > Ark Zxr it's the "taking hits" part that is affected :P
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:25 ] Rob Dalvik > :D
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:33 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik inaccurate description angular is referenced for sniping % chance to hit. :)
[ 2015.01.19 21:22:41 ] Ark Zxr > i think ur jeally of my high dps output
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[ 2015.01.19 21:22:49 ] Rob Dalvik > I dont believe thats inaccurate at all
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:12 ] Vinerable Sin > alright.
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:14 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal is not part of the tracking calculation
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:20 ] Rob Dalvik > radial is
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:20 ] Vinerable Sin > back to incursions for me ^_^ ftw
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:35 ] Vinerable Sin > radial isn't an overview reference
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:38 ] Vinerable Sin > angular is.
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:42 ] Rob Dalvik > fk
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:47 ] Rob Dalvik > I meant angular
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:51 ] GermxXx > lol
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:57 ] Iceberg Simpson > 420 do physics everyday
[ 2015.01.19 21:23:58 ] Scirocco B > radial and transversal are not figured into tracking/hit calcs, angular velocity, sigradius, and weapon tracking/resolution are factors
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:09 ] Scirocco B > oh distance as well when dealing with fall off
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:10 ] Rob Dalvik > Scirocco B ty
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:18 ] Rob Dalvik > I meant angular
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:19 ] Rob Dalvik > sorry
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:25 ] Vinerable Sin > Scirocco B sorry to say but that is inaccurate.
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:33 ] Rob Dalvik > I think hes right
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:35 ] Vinerable Sin > ok going back to fleet ftw.
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:42 ] Rob Dalvik > bah
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:50 ] Iceberg Simpson > Youre all mostly accurate, just look up the turret damage formula jeez
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:55 ] GermxXx > it really doesn't matter which one is called what
[ 2015.01.19 21:24:57 ] Iceberg Simpson > its all there for you to read
[ 2015.01.19 21:25:15 ] Rob Dalvik > it matters if you're reading transversal on your overview expecting it to be relevant
[ 2015.01.19 21:25:33 ] Scirocco B > Ice makes a good point, if you can get your head around some basic trigonometry you can get a much better handle on how eve calculates hits.
[ 2015.01.19 21:25:39 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik reference transversal for optimal shots, reference angular for sniping shots.
[ 2015.01.19 21:25:55 ] Rob Dalvik > nah
[ 2015.01.19 21:26:05 ] Rob Dalvik > provide a reference b/c I think thats not accurate at all
[ 2015.01.19 21:26:27 ] Jarian Zell > hey HEY, listen.....just be happy ALL your pilots are shooting while in the site  :)
[ 2015.01.19 21:26:35 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal does not take into account distance to target which effects angular velocity thus tracking.
[ 2015.01.19 21:26:40 ] Vinerable Sin > Jarian Zell +1
[ 2015.01.19 21:26:59 ] Scirocco B > https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage
[ 2015.01.19 21:27:02 ] Iceberg Simpson > I can science https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/a/aa/ChanceToHitv2.png/775px-ChanceToHitv2.png
[ 2015.01.19 21:27:18 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik i know what you're saying. but you can't calculate in real time, but you can estimate better using transversal and agular
[ 2015.01.19 21:27:42 ] Iceberg Simpson > So who was saying transversal didnt matter? it's literally built right into the formula smarty pants :P
[ 2015.01.19 21:27:47 ] Vinerable Sin > which is why my statement is more accurate.
[ 2015.01.19 21:27:56 ] Vinerable Sin > transversal is huge.
[ 2015.01.19 21:28:21 ] Vinerable Sin > join TDF!!!!
[ 2015.01.19 21:28:25 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson angular encapsulated by transversal and range to target
[ 2015.01.19 21:28:34 ] Ark Zxr > transversal sounds like a bad word
[ 2015.01.19 21:28:43 ] Scirocco B > yes, but for hit calculations, transversal is handled as a decimal in radians =P
[ 2015.01.19 21:28:49 ] Rob Dalvik > knowing only transversal doesnt help you estimate tracking ability more than angular, I dont see the relevance
[ 2015.01.19 21:29:20 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity is transversal divided by distance. it doesn't help you close range i.e. optimal
[ 2015.01.19 21:29:26 ] Iceberg Simpson > Angular is a better reference for players, but transversal is whats actually used in the damgae formula
[ 2015.01.19 21:29:31 ] GermxXx > You don't really need any of those, look at your target, see how it moves, adjust accoringly.
[ 2015.01.19 21:29:39 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity is not your turret rad/s
[ 2015.01.19 21:30:09 ] Rob Dalvik > they are directly related
[ 2015.01.19 21:30:09 ] Vinerable Sin > it is however an accurate estimate at long distances
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[ 2015.01.19 21:30:14 ] Rob Dalvik > I dont understand your comment
[ 2015.01.19 21:30:58 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity has two different reference points when thinking realistically, rads has only one
[ 2015.01.19 21:31:06 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson you're missing the point. Angular is a function of transversal and range to target, Its in the forumla you posted just as a simplification of the calculation
[ 2015.01.19 21:31:19 ] Iceberg Simpson > Im aware
[ 2015.01.19 21:31:32 ] Vinerable Sin > Join TDF !!
[ 2015.01.19 21:31:37 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:31:53 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson so you agree knowing transversal alone tells you nothing?
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:21 ] Jarian Zell > it does
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:28 ] GermxXx > But why would you blindly look at just that number when shooting someone?
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:29 ] Jarian Zell > it tells you tranversal
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:34 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:34 ] Iceberg Simpson > It tells you something, but it doesnt tell you the whole equation.
[ 2015.01.19 21:32:36 ] Scirocco B > oh btw, if you take that first part of the tracking polynomial and cancel out all the units, guess what.. the function breaks down into radians! =P I win!
[ 2015.01.19 21:33:36 ] Vinerable Sin > Learn to shoot your weapons effectivly by referencing your overview!! Join TDF!
[ 2015.01.19 21:33:51 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:34:06 ] Scirocco B > pfft, join TDF, get a better understanding of Trig!
[ 2015.01.19 21:34:21 ] Jarian Zell > wait...hang on...the answer is, shoot the farthest stuff or the slowest stuff..simple
[ 2015.01.19 21:34:34 ] Jarian Zell > if youre a nightmare
[ 2015.01.19 21:36:11 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:38:31 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 21:38:35 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:38:40 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 21:38:50 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:41:08 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 21:41:12 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:42:58 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:43:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:35 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:38 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:48 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:50 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:53 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:44:55 ] Devon Thorn > =)))
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:08 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:17 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:18 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:31 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:33 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:45 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:46 ] Devon Thorn > So funny =)
[ 2015.01.19 21:45:55 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:17 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:35 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:46 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:51 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:57 ] Ark Zxr > give up noob
[ 2015.01.19 21:46:58 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:47:04 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:47:07 ] Devon Thorn > and one more to local
[ 2015.01.19 21:47:16 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:47:25 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet  The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:48:27 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
[ 2015.01.19 21:49:06 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
[ 2015.01.19 21:55:21 ] Ark Zxr > finally u gave up, was slowly tireding me out
[ 2015.01.19 21:56:57 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 21:57:32 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet ░
[ 2015.01.19 21:58:17 ] GIN III > ТАЙГА-ЧАТ
[ 2015.01.19 21:58:55 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
[ 2015.01.19 22:09:28 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 22:13:11 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
[ 2015.01.19 22:16:34 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
[ 2015.01.19 22:17:12 ] Mars Ultar > aky chikuma o/ do you take Rattlesnakes?
[ 2015.01.19 22:17:33 ] aky chikuma > VG-V Fitting2 ^^ unfortuantly we do not use missiles sorry dude
[ 2015.01.19 22:17:53 ] Mars Ultar > all good, most groups dont
[ 2015.01.19 22:17:55 ] aky chikuma > tho it is a awesome ship lol
[ 2015.01.19 22:18:26 ] Mars Ultar > i love it, i am working on my gun skills though, eventually i want to get into a rohk or navy domi
[ 2015.01.19 22:18:55 ] Iceberg Simpson > Dont rokh the boat
[ 2015.01.19 22:18:58 ] aky chikuma > for incursions Vindi is the best thing for blasters XD
[ 2015.01.19 22:19:16 ] Iceberg Simpson > Id just avoid the rokh... I call it the "rokh trap"
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:10 ] Mars Ultar > im a caldari/gallente pilot. vindi is an awesome ship, but thats another month of training
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:21 ] Iceberg Simpson > Think of it this way
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:25 ] aky chikuma > Mars Ultar yea but its worth it
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:36 ] Iceberg Simpson > Rokh is a red headed step child... its a caldari blaster boat with no clear training path towards a pirate hull
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:43 ] Nade'em > o/
[ 2015.01.19 22:21:46 ] Iceberg Simpson > If you train gallente + hybrids, youre halfway to a vindi
[ 2015.01.19 22:22:06 ] aky chikuma > yea go hyperion for t1 incurion hull XD
[ 2015.01.19 22:22:46 ] Iceberg Simpson > The rokh is just an awkward ship. A lot of newbros fly them but you will end up having to cross train into gallente/min eventually or just give up hybrids altogether and get a nightmare
[ 2015.01.19 22:24:30 ] Mars Ultar > i see your point.

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