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<Alberth> they do make your life complicated with precise placement, or would that also happen with say, default industries ?
<planetmaker> basically what alberth said: a too complex industry newgrf is not well suitable for interaction with anything outside it
<_dp_> btw, all cb gamescripts currently sum all cargo delivered to a town regardless of specific industry first and only then make decisions
<Alberth> sounds like a fair way to go about it
<Alberth> ie averaging happyness of industries does the same, basically
<_dp_> Alberth, default set is no different, we custom place pp and factories in temperate for example
<planetmaker> ok... but how does that affect any interaction between GS and industry? I'd not recon much
<Alberth> and this is just to make the scenario interesting to play? or are there other factors here?
<_dp_> Alberth, except that you need understand first what that happines even means and if averaging it makes any sense for your goal
<_dp_> Alberth, for cb it's worthless as what you really need is cargo amounts anyway
<planetmaker> not necessarily
<planetmaker> but delivered cargo to an industry is a very good prox
<planetmaker> proxy
<_dp_> Alberth, mostly to make it "fair" so as you can get any town on any map and beat a highscore with it
<_dp_> Alberth, instead of waiting eternity for a perfect one to appear
<planetmaker> how is that score calculated (roughly)?
<Alberth> ok, could be done by a GS too I guess, altohugh it might need more information than is available currently
<_dp_> planetmaker, you mean cb score? either population after a set amount of time or time to get to a certain population
<planetmaker> ok. For a scenario with several equal starting points: no way around manual placement / creation. But that's independent of any interaction discussed
<planetmaker> if the CB-script could simply query the industry "how well are you served" and it returns a number -100 ... +100, it would basically be the same thing as now querying the cargoes delivered. Wouldn't it?
<Alberth> well, there is this concept "enough cargo" which isn't well-defined yet, currently, I think
<_dp_> planetmaker, depends on how that satisfaction it is calculated
<_dp_> planetmaker, if it's based on cargo then kinda yes, except for a precision loss
<Alberth> ie when do default industries have enough?
<_dp_> planetmaker, if it's some random bs then ofc no
<planetmaker> hm, I guess default industries are greedy, so a cargo amount delivered is more meaningful
<_dp_> precision loss is not a small thing btw, like we do adjust monthly cargo goals with amount of days in month
<_dp_> otherwise february is too brutal xD
<planetmaker> he
<planetmaker> how do you get the cargo produced by whatever industry? GSIndustry:GetLastMonthProduction ?
<_dp_> planetmaker, I'm not rly using GS so I'm just counting cargo unloading within certain radius of town, not idea what GS equivalent is
<_dp_> planetmaker, you can check Simple City Builder, it mostly does the same stuff

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