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  7.   Channel ID:      (('incursion1806', 1806),)
  8.   Channel Name:    Incursion in
  9.   Listener:        Vinerable Sin
  10.   Session started: 2015.01.19 19:10:32
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  13. [ 2015.01.19 19:10:33 ] EVE System > Attention all capsuleers: Sansha's Nation forces have staged an incursion of the Ahrnot constellation. Local empire navies are standing by to protect against planetary abductions. Reinforcements are required to actively remove the threat.CONCORD has created this channel to aid in the organization of capsuleer fleets willing to fight the Sansha. All pilots who offer assistance will be rewarded.Authorized by Operation Ishaeka Commander Vieve Creston, DED Special OperationsCONCORD cannot guarantee the operational security of this channel. Attendants are advised to use caution when sharing intelligence.
  14. [ 2015.01.19 19:22:08 ] Ron McIndustry > M o
  15. [ 2015.01.19 19:51:53 ] Dr ZX > .░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet  EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░░ The Ditanian Fleet
  16. [ 2015.01.19 20:24:37 ] Aqustin Agustus > what kind of ship do i need to join one of these fleetS?
  17. [ 2015.01.19 20:25:03 ] Scirocco B > Armor =)
  18. [ 2015.01.19 20:25:21 ] Scirocco B > join the channel, follow the info links to basic fittings, or ask questions =)
  19. [ 2015.01.19 20:25:28 ] Aqustin Agustus > what channel?
  20. [ 2015.01.19 20:25:33 ] Scirocco B > The Ditanian Fleet
  21. [ 2015.01.19 20:32:15 ] Vicious Knid > remain to take a big book to stuff down your trousers when they get buthurt with you :)
  22. [ 2015.01.19 20:33:46 ] Xaroth Brook > we generally don't get butthurt
  23. [ 2015.01.19 20:33:50 ] Scirocco B > o.O ok...well to each their own. only people that have been run out of TDF was liars and asshats.
  24. [ 2015.01.19 20:34:10 ] Ark Zxr > ^^^^
  25. [ 2015.01.19 20:35:21 ] Burckun Nudnyi > Hostakoh*
  26. [ 2015.01.19 20:36:33 ] Scirocco B > Anyhow, if you like flying armor ships. join  The Ditanian Fleet
  27. [ 2015.01.19 20:37:09 ] Vicious Knid > (don't forget the stiff book)
  28. [ 2015.01.19 20:37:37 ] Scirocco B > Vicious Knid did you earn a ban at some point? you're sounding kinda salty...
  29. [ 2015.01.19 20:58:52 ] Vulkan Vuld > Scirocco B Dont you guys ban anyone who flies with another community?
  30. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:09 ] Xaroth Brook > that really depends on what other community
  31. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:24 ] Vulkan Vuld > so any other armor community
  32. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:29 ] Vulkan Vuld > or shield communities
  33. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:30 ] Xaroth Brook > not really
  34. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:39 ] Xaroth Brook > there are a few who condone their members to gank our fleet members
  35. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:52 ] Vulkan Vuld > I have never heard anything of the sort
  36. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:53 ] Xaroth Brook > so at some point we have to take measures to protect our own
  37. [ 2015.01.19 20:59:59 ] Scirocco B > ^^
  38. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:01 ] Xaroth Brook > you've been living under a rock then
  39. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:14 ] Vulkan Vuld > Nah bro, I fly with many communities
  40. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:20 ] Vulkan Vuld > except TVP and TDF
  41. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:30 ] Vulkan Vuld > so unless its TVP, no one else says such things
  42. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:38 ] Vulkan Vuld > and I cant fly with TDF, because my main is banned
  43. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:57 ] Xaroth Brook > well, the -last- time another group tried something
  44. [ 2015.01.19 21:00:58 ] Xaroth Brook > it was IIC
  45. [ 2015.01.19 21:01:34 ] Xaroth Brook > and yes, I have the killmail for it
  46. [ 2015.01.19 21:01:34 ] Vulkan Vuld > really? i flew with them for awhile, never was told something like that
  47. [ 2015.01.19 21:02:06 ] Xaroth Brook > there's a lot that goes around in the upper echelons of communities that most people do not see
  48. [ 2015.01.19 21:02:21 ] Vulkan Vuld > Oh I know, I used to be an FC
  49. [ 2015.01.19 21:02:27 ] Scirocco B > translation: there's butt hurt behing closed doors too.
  50. [ 2015.01.19 21:02:35 ] Vulkan Vuld > but a single killmail doesnt really prove another community is out to get out
  51. [ 2015.01.19 21:02:37 ] Xaroth Brook > not even FCs see all of it
  52. [ 2015.01.19 21:03:20 ] Scirocco B > lol shall we forward the evemail from a certain FC declairing all out war no TDF? then link the screenshots of them being welcome in other communities?
  53. [ 2015.01.19 21:03:26 ] Jarian Zell > thats because youre all agy
  54. [ 2015.01.19 21:03:28 ] Jarian Zell > gay
  55. [ 2015.01.19 21:03:50 ] Scirocco B > I'm not gay, I just claim to have the smallest penis in eve...
  56. [ 2015.01.19 21:03:55 ] Vulkan Vuld > I mean, anyone can say things and make claims, but it's not like its really important, incursions are so insignificant
  57. [ 2015.01.19 21:04:26 ] Jarian Zell > and so is farmville
  58. [ 2015.01.19 21:04:31 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
  59. [ 2015.01.19 21:05:16 ] Rob Dalvik > This is kinda funny to watch. No wonder everyone mentions how toxic incursion communities are.
  60. [ 2015.01.19 21:05:20 ] Civ Zomas > ... but I thought internet spaceships were serious business.
  61. [ 2015.01.19 21:05:26 ] Xaroth Brook > incursions, in general, are quite toxic
  62. [ 2015.01.19 21:05:41 ] Xaroth Brook > but on a day-to-day basis, there's not that much toxicity
  63. [ 2015.01.19 21:06:09 ] Xaroth Brook > thankfully the toxic people gather up in their own cesspools of fail
  64. [ 2015.01.19 21:06:14 ] Civ Zomas > Incursions are competitive. That brings out the worst in some people.
  65. [ 2015.01.19 21:06:37 ] Scirocco B > or the best. it really depends upon the person in question.
  66. [ 2015.01.19 21:06:54 ] Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook > thankfully the toxic people gather up in their own cesspools of failarmor
  67. [ 2015.01.19 21:07:02 ] Biosoga > its a good system of the down song
  68. [ 2015.01.19 21:07:26 ] Xaroth Brook > Jarian Zell not really
  69. [ 2015.01.19 21:07:41 ] Xaroth Brook > unless you can explain me -how- armor is toxic
  70. [ 2015.01.19 21:08:02 ] Jarian Zell > im jess fukkin around, nm
  71. [ 2015.01.19 21:08:03 ] Skadi Winter > how to turn off incursion sounds. it is annoying
  72. [ 2015.01.19 21:08:26 ] Civ Zomas > Armor isn't intrinsically bad. Some communities make it seem that way though.
  73. [ 2015.01.19 21:08:59 ] Anan Y'mus > it's not weather they are good for bad..
  74. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:04 ] akioshi chikuma > armor is awesome however 1600 plates are not XD
  75. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:06 ] Anan Y'mus > its if you can fly them correctly.
  76. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:10 ] Vulkan Vuld > armor is better than shields, but most people think you need a plate on everything to work
  77. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:26 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
  78. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:29 ] Vulkan Vuld > or the "reps land at the end of the cycle" which means nothing
  79. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:31 ] Anan Y'mus > Thats not the issue lol
  80. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:33 ] Xaroth Brook > dude
  81. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:36 ] Xaroth Brook > my mach goes 2500m/s
  82. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:43 ] Xaroth Brook > i laugh at 1600mm plates
  83. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:48 ] Xaroth Brook > they just make me bump shit harder
  84. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:50 ] Anan Y'mus > machs have speed boosts...
  85. [ 2015.01.19 21:09:57 ] Xaroth Brook > I can make a deltole go 5km/s
  86. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:06 ] Anan Y'mus > sexy
  87. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:09 ] Vulkan Vuld > Last time I tried to x for TDF i was told plate or slaves
  88. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:09 ] Anan Y'mus > very unf
  89. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:12 ] Vulkan Vuld > which is dumb
  90. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:17 ] Anan Y'mus > xD
  91. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:28 ] Xaroth Brook > Vulkan Vuld we fly safety first
  92. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:37 ] Xaroth Brook > we run specialized VG fleets who fly without stuff like that
  93. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:46 ] Vulkan Vuld > I mean in HQs
  94. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:53 ] Xaroth Brook > you'll melt if you don't have a plate
  95. [ 2015.01.19 21:10:54 ] Jarian Zell > do you use the wacsendancy stuff yet?
  96. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:03 ] Vulkan Vuld > Xaroth Brook you really wont
  97. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:14 ] Vulkan Vuld > if your logis are decent
  98. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:21 ] Xaroth Brook > the thing is
  99. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:23 ] Dr ZX > .░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet  EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░░ The Ditanian Fleet
  100. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:28 ] Xaroth Brook > armor logi repairs at the end of a cycle
  101. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:32 ] Vulkan Vuld > that
  102. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:33 ] Vulkan Vuld > means
  103. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:34 ] Vulkan Vuld > nothing
  104. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:37 ] Anan Y'mus > ^
  105. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:37 ] Xaroth Brook > it means everything
  106. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:42 ] Anan Y'mus > Well.
  107. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:43 ] Scirocco B > <-- has seen hero no plate ships in TCRCs... its very amusing. and btw, the broadcast was on time, and the logis were on the ball....so your argument that you dont' need a plat ein a HQ is invalid.
  108. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:44 ] Xaroth Brook > it means that between logis noticing people getting damage
  109. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:47 ] Xaroth Brook > and people getting reps
  110. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:52 ] Xaroth Brook > is at least 5 seconds
  111. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:52 ] Anan Y'mus > Everything can't exists with nothing.
  112. [ 2015.01.19 21:11:56 ] Anan Y'mus > so.
  113. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:01 ] Xaroth Brook > 3.5 for the actual cycle, 1.5 for the lock
  114. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:12 ] Xaroth Brook > and that's granting that the logis are superhuman and have a neigh-instant resposne time
  115. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:15 ] Vulkan Vuld > I feel like that is just made up, because a logi reaction time is the same regardless of the ship
  116. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:21 ] Vulkan Vuld > you should just hold your logi to higher standards
  117. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:25 ] Xaroth Brook > as i said
  118. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:29 ] Xaroth Brook > that's without logi response time
  119. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:30 ] Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook r u using acsendancys yet?
  120. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:33 ] Xaroth Brook > 1.5 second ship lock time
  121. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:36 ] Xaroth Brook > 3.5 second cycle time
  122. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:43 ] Xaroth Brook > means reps will always come at least 5 seconds after damage does
  123. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:44 ] Vulkan Vuld > again, it's the same for shields.
  124. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:47 ] Juli Paris > http://thevalhallaproject.info/  The Valhalla Project up to  http://i.imgur.com/x6xrnm8.png
  125. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:48 ] Xaroth Brook > no it's not
  126. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:53 ] Xaroth Brook > shield repairs at the START of the cycle
  127. [ 2015.01.19 21:12:59 ] Xaroth Brook > 1.5 second lock time, instant reps
  128. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:03 ] Xaroth Brook > vs 5 second for reps
  129. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:11 ] Vulkan Vuld > I understand this, but again, it means little
  130. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:19 ] Xaroth Brook > then you don't understant it at all
  131. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:38 ] Vulkan Vuld > I fly an oni in pvp
  132. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:43 ] Vulkan Vuld > and a guardian
  133. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:48 ] Scirocco B > Vulkan Vuld how abou tthis, you fit any way you like, come and join my HQ fleet. We have 10 logi. Lets see if you survive with skinny fit armor. =)
  134. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:51 ] Jarian Zell > Jarian Zell > Xaroth Brook r u using acsendancys yet?
  135. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:52 ] John Muillaart > can I join a fleet?
  136. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:54 ] Xaroth Brook > I've seen overtanked paladins go from 100% armor to 10% armor in 3 seconds
  137. [ 2015.01.19 21:13:59 ] Xaroth Brook > Jarian: not outside VGs, no
  138. [ 2015.01.19 21:14:03 ] John Muillaart > I'm looking for fleet to do incursions together
  139. [ 2015.01.19 21:14:32 ] Xaroth Brook > .░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░╔════╗░╔══╗░░╔════░░╚═╗╔═╝░║░░╚╗░║░░░░░░░░║║░░░║░░░║░╠═══░░░░░║║░░░║░░╔╝░║░░░░░░░░╚╝░░░╚══╝░░║░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░The Ditanian Fleet Eve's oldest Armor incursion community.
  140. [ 2015.01.19 21:14:40 ] Eyeballingyou > iv been trying to get some help in the help channel but ther are all thick as shit in there these days and ignorant. can i ask anyone in here about poco's?
  141. [ 2015.01.19 21:14:58 ] Vulkan Vuld > I'm sure that if you hold your logi to higher standards, instead of coddling theem, you would be able to fly 'skinny' fits and have faster site times
  142. [ 2015.01.19 21:15:30 ] Jarian Zell > Vulkan Vuld r u using axsendacys yet?
  143. [ 2015.01.19 21:15:40 ] Scirocco B > considering I am a logistics lvl 5 pilot, FC, I do hold them to a high standard.
  144. [ 2015.01.19 21:15:52 ] Eyeballingyou > forums mention that poco's reinforce at 25% shields.. im wondering if they require fuel for that or if it's a generic attribute for all poco's..?
  145. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:01 ] Vulkan Vuld > I have ascendancies with omega, and a geno set
  146. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:05 ] Vulkan Vuld > it dpends on what I fly
  147. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:13 ] Rob Dalvik > poco's? this is incursions, wtf you asking about pocos for
  148. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:23 ] GermxXx > ask in help chat
  149. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:24 ] Xaroth Brook > no idea, eyeball
  150. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:31 ] Darian Kern > Vulkan Vuld i have run with armor fleets for over a year and for 1 week i tried shields and seen more ships go boom in that 1 week than in an entire year of armor
  151. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:32 ] Vulkan Vuld > that being said, armor reps repair more to compensate for your 'end of cycle'
  152. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:40 ] Eyeballingyou > because ppl in here might know more than the idiots in help chat.
  153. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:42 ] Xaroth Brook > sup kern
  154. [ 2015.01.19 21:16:49 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > Eyeballingyou yes they all do that autonmaticaly
  155. [ 2015.01.19 21:17:19 ] Vulkan Vuld > Eyeballingyou pocos reinforce at 25% yes for 24h
  156. [ 2015.01.19 21:17:25 ] Vulkan Vuld > then you come back and finish them off
  157. [ 2015.01.19 21:17:43 ] Eyeballingyou > k, cheers.
  158. [ 2015.01.19 21:17:52 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > not for 24 hours, you as an owner can set them any rf cycle you want, sometimes it can be more than 24 hours
  159. [ 2015.01.19 21:17:55 ] Vinerable Sin > Eyeballingyou may i ask you a question?
  160. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:02 ] Eyeballingyou > shoot
  161. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:05 ] Vulkan Vuld > Koizumi Atsuchi thats very wrong
  162. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:22 ] Vulkan Vuld > because then someone could set the reinforce timer to infinite
  163. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:25 ] Scirocco B > Large Remote Shield Booster II  Large Remote Armor Repairer II  where are you getting, armor reppers repair more. they both return 384 points.
  164. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:28 ] Koizumi Atsuchi > ok whatever, im not here to argue
  165. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:31 ] Eyeballingyou > i read that on a forum as well Koizumi Atsuchi ..
  166. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:33 ] Vinerable Sin > if your optimal is 12 and falloff is 64... would you do more damage to a target doing 0m/s at falloff or optimal?
  167. [ 2015.01.19 21:18:45 ] Eyeballingyou > anyway, thanks for the help.
  168. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:01 ] Eyeballingyou > was asking in help chat, nobody answered.
  169. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:02 ] GermxXx > Vinerable Sin optimal is better if they are standing still
  170. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:40 ] Rob Dalvik > o.O isnt optimal always better than falloff regardless?
  171. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:47 ] GermxXx > well yes and no
  172. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:49 ] Vinerable Sin > true, but if it is doing 0m/s... then it really doesn't matter.
  173. [ 2015.01.19 21:19:59 ] Rob Dalvik > they're separate reductions to damage
  174. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:01 ] Scirocco B > if you shoot in falloff, theoreticly you get slightly better tracking reults.
  175. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:03 ] Rob Dalvik > if Im not mistaken
  176. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:13 ] Scirocco B > but its probably offset by the lower overall damage.
  177. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:20 ] GermxXx > see, if they are moving fast, them being far away reduces the transversal and you might hit better
  178. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:22 ] Rob Dalvik > right, but they are independent
  179. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:30 ] Rob Dalvik > radial, but yea
  180. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:37 ] Vinerable Sin > angular! not radial!
  181. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:41 ] GermxXx > well that also
  182. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:49 ] Rob Dalvik > mea culpa
  183. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:50 ] Ark Zxr > whats the best way to fit a tengu for ded sites ?
  184. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:51 ] Rob Dalvik > is what I meant
  185. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:52 ] GermxXx > ttwo of them
  186. [ 2015.01.19 21:20:57 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal doesnt mean shit really
  187. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:09 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik absolutely 100% inaccurate statement
  188. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:15 ] Iceberg Simpson > 420 do science everyday,
  189. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:15 ] Scirocco B > ^^
  190. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:19 ] GermxXx > anyway, further = better if they move but optimal is better than faloff.. so it depends on the situation
  191. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:31 ] GermxXx > but if they stand still, then optimal is obv. better
  192. [ 2015.01.19 21:21:46 ] Rob Dalvik > angular is a usable metric for damage application, transversal is not
  193. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:02 ] Ark Zxr > why does it eben matter if their moving or not so long as ur doing dps and they are taking hits
  194. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:07 ] Ark Zxr > even*
  195. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:20 ] GermxXx > Ark Zxr it's the "taking hits" part that is affected :P
  196. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:25 ] Rob Dalvik > :D
  197. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:33 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik inaccurate description angular is referenced for sniping % chance to hit. :)
  198. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:41 ] Ark Zxr > i think ur jeally of my high dps output
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  200. [ 2015.01.19 21:22:49 ] Rob Dalvik > I dont believe thats inaccurate at all
  201. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:12 ] Vinerable Sin > alright.
  202. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:14 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal is not part of the tracking calculation
  203. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:20 ] Rob Dalvik > radial is
  204. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:20 ] Vinerable Sin > back to incursions for me ^_^ ftw
  205. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:35 ] Vinerable Sin > radial isn't an overview reference
  206. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:38 ] Vinerable Sin > angular is.
  207. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:42 ] Rob Dalvik > fk
  208. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:47 ] Rob Dalvik > I meant angular
  209. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:51 ] GermxXx > lol
  210. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:57 ] Iceberg Simpson > 420 do physics everyday
  211. [ 2015.01.19 21:23:58 ] Scirocco B > radial and transversal are not figured into tracking/hit calcs, angular velocity, sigradius, and weapon tracking/resolution are factors
  212. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:09 ] Scirocco B > oh distance as well when dealing with fall off
  213. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:10 ] Rob Dalvik > Scirocco B ty
  214. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:18 ] Rob Dalvik > I meant angular
  215. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:19 ] Rob Dalvik > sorry
  216. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:25 ] Vinerable Sin > Scirocco B sorry to say but that is inaccurate.
  217. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:33 ] Rob Dalvik > I think hes right
  218. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:35 ] Vinerable Sin > ok going back to fleet ftw.
  219. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:42 ] Rob Dalvik > bah
  220. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:50 ] Iceberg Simpson > Youre all mostly accurate, just look up the turret damage formula jeez
  221. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:55 ] GermxXx > it really doesn't matter which one is called what
  222. [ 2015.01.19 21:24:57 ] Iceberg Simpson > its all there for you to read
  223. [ 2015.01.19 21:25:15 ] Rob Dalvik > it matters if you're reading transversal on your overview expecting it to be relevant
  224. [ 2015.01.19 21:25:33 ] Scirocco B > Ice makes a good point, if you can get your head around some basic trigonometry you can get a much better handle on how eve calculates hits.
  225. [ 2015.01.19 21:25:39 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik reference transversal for optimal shots, reference angular for sniping shots.
  226. [ 2015.01.19 21:25:55 ] Rob Dalvik > nah
  227. [ 2015.01.19 21:26:05 ] Rob Dalvik > provide a reference b/c I think thats not accurate at all
  228. [ 2015.01.19 21:26:27 ] Jarian Zell > hey HEY, listen.....just be happy ALL your pilots are shooting while in the site  :)
  229. [ 2015.01.19 21:26:35 ] Rob Dalvik > transversal does not take into account distance to target which effects angular velocity thus tracking.
  230. [ 2015.01.19 21:26:40 ] Vinerable Sin > Jarian Zell +1
  231. [ 2015.01.19 21:26:59 ] Scirocco B > https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage
  232. [ 2015.01.19 21:27:02 ] Iceberg Simpson > I can science https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/a/aa/ChanceToHitv2.png/775px-ChanceToHitv2.png
  233. [ 2015.01.19 21:27:18 ] Vinerable Sin > Rob Dalvik i know what you're saying. but you can't calculate in real time, but you can estimate better using transversal and agular
  234. [ 2015.01.19 21:27:42 ] Iceberg Simpson > So who was saying transversal didnt matter? it's literally built right into the formula smarty pants :P
  235. [ 2015.01.19 21:27:47 ] Vinerable Sin > which is why my statement is more accurate.
  236. [ 2015.01.19 21:27:56 ] Vinerable Sin > transversal is huge.
  237. [ 2015.01.19 21:28:21 ] Vinerable Sin > join TDF!!!!
  238. [ 2015.01.19 21:28:25 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson angular encapsulated by transversal and range to target
  239. [ 2015.01.19 21:28:34 ] Ark Zxr > transversal sounds like a bad word
  240. [ 2015.01.19 21:28:43 ] Scirocco B > yes, but for hit calculations, transversal is handled as a decimal in radians =P
  241. [ 2015.01.19 21:28:49 ] Rob Dalvik > knowing only transversal doesnt help you estimate tracking ability more than angular, I dont see the relevance
  242. [ 2015.01.19 21:29:20 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity is transversal divided by distance. it doesn't help you close range i.e. optimal
  243. [ 2015.01.19 21:29:26 ] Iceberg Simpson > Angular is a better reference for players, but transversal is whats actually used in the damgae formula
  244. [ 2015.01.19 21:29:31 ] GermxXx > You don't really need any of those, look at your target, see how it moves, adjust accoringly.
  245. [ 2015.01.19 21:29:39 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity is not your turret rad/s
  246. [ 2015.01.19 21:30:09 ] Rob Dalvik > they are directly related
  247. [ 2015.01.19 21:30:09 ] Vinerable Sin > it is however an accurate estimate at long distances
  248. [ 2015.01.19 21:30:09 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  249. [ 2015.01.19 21:30:14 ] Rob Dalvik > I dont understand your comment
  250. [ 2015.01.19 21:30:58 ] Vinerable Sin > angular velocity has two different reference points when thinking realistically, rads has only one
  251. [ 2015.01.19 21:31:06 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson you're missing the point. Angular is a function of transversal and range to target, Its in the forumla you posted just as a simplification of the calculation
  252. [ 2015.01.19 21:31:19 ] Iceberg Simpson > Im aware
  253. [ 2015.01.19 21:31:32 ] Vinerable Sin > Join TDF !!
  254. [ 2015.01.19 21:31:37 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  255. [ 2015.01.19 21:31:53 ] Rob Dalvik > Iceberg Simpson so you agree knowing transversal alone tells you nothing?
  256. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:21 ] Jarian Zell > it does
  257. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:28 ] GermxXx > But why would you blindly look at just that number when shooting someone?
  258. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:29 ] Jarian Zell > it tells you tranversal
  259. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:34 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  260. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:34 ] Iceberg Simpson > It tells you something, but it doesnt tell you the whole equation.
  261. [ 2015.01.19 21:32:36 ] Scirocco B > oh btw, if you take that first part of the tracking polynomial and cancel out all the units, guess what.. the function breaks down into radians! =P I win!
  262. [ 2015.01.19 21:33:36 ] Vinerable Sin > Learn to shoot your weapons effectivly by referencing your overview!! Join TDF!
  263. [ 2015.01.19 21:33:51 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  264. [ 2015.01.19 21:34:06 ] Scirocco B > pfft, join TDF, get a better understanding of Trig!
  265. [ 2015.01.19 21:34:21 ] Jarian Zell > wait...hang on...the answer is, shoot the farthest stuff or the slowest stuff..simple
  266. [ 2015.01.19 21:34:34 ] Jarian Zell > if youre a nightmare
  267. [ 2015.01.19 21:36:11 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  268. [ 2015.01.19 21:38:31 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
  269. [ 2015.01.19 21:38:35 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  270. [ 2015.01.19 21:38:40 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
  271. [ 2015.01.19 21:38:50 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  272. [ 2015.01.19 21:41:08 ] Wienerovna > The Vanguard Project.
  273. [ 2015.01.19 21:41:12 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  274. [ 2015.01.19 21:42:58 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  275. [ 2015.01.19 21:43:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  276. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:35 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  277. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:38 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  278. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:48 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  279. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:50 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  280. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:53 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  281. [ 2015.01.19 21:44:55 ] Devon Thorn > =)))
  282. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
  283. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:08 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  284. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:17 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  285. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:18 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  286. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:31 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  287. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:33 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  288. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:45 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
  289. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:46 ] Devon Thorn > So funny =)
  290. [ 2015.01.19 21:45:55 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  291. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:03 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  292. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:17 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  293. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:35 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
  294. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:46 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  295. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:51 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░   The Ditanian Fleet ░
  296. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:57 ] Ark Zxr > give up noob
  297. [ 2015.01.19 21:46:58 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  298. [ 2015.01.19 21:47:04 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  299. [ 2015.01.19 21:47:07 ] Devon Thorn > and one more to local
  300. [ 2015.01.19 21:47:16 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  301. [ 2015.01.19 21:47:25 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet  The Ditanian Fleet ░
  302. [ 2015.01.19 21:48:27 ] Devon Thorn > .█████████████████ █────██───██────█ █─██████─███─██─█ █─█──███─███────█ █─██─███─███─████ █────██───██─█inc█ █████████████████ ФАРМ САНШИ в HISecДоход от 150 кк /час>>> GIP Inc канал <<<
  303. [ 2015.01.19 21:49:06 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
  304. [ 2015.01.19 21:55:21 ] Ark Zxr > finally u gave up, was slowly tireding me out
  305. [ 2015.01.19 21:56:57 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
  306. [ 2015.01.19 21:57:32 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet ░
  307. [ 2015.01.19 21:58:17 ] GIN III > ТАЙГА-ЧАТ
  308. [ 2015.01.19 21:58:55 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
  309. [ 2015.01.19 22:09:28 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
  310. [ 2015.01.19 22:13:11 ] Ark Zxr > ░░░░..█████.██▀▀▄ ██▀▀▀. ..██.  ██. . █.██▄▄. ..██.  ██▄▄▀ ██. .. ARMOR FLEETS:  The Ditanian Fleet EVE'S oldest/first incursion community░░░ The Ditanian Fleet ░ The Ditanian Fleet
  311. [ 2015.01.19 22:16:34 ] aky chikuma > .     ▄▄▄ ▄◦▄ ▄▄     ◦█◦ █◦█ █▄▀     ◦▀◦ ◦▀◦ ▀   VG-V☣ Elite Shield Fleet☣ EVE's Best VG Community.☣ Now also doing Assaults Fleets!!!☣ Fits mailing list ->  VG-V Fitting2 ☣ 120-140m/hr☣  The Vanguard Project.
  312. [ 2015.01.19 22:17:12 ] Mars Ultar > aky chikuma o/ do you take Rattlesnakes?
  313. [ 2015.01.19 22:17:33 ] aky chikuma > VG-V Fitting2 ^^ unfortuantly we do not use missiles sorry dude
  314. [ 2015.01.19 22:17:53 ] Mars Ultar > all good, most groups dont
  315. [ 2015.01.19 22:17:55 ] aky chikuma > tho it is a awesome ship lol
  316. [ 2015.01.19 22:18:26 ] Mars Ultar > i love it, i am working on my gun skills though, eventually i want to get into a rohk or navy domi
  317. [ 2015.01.19 22:18:55 ] Iceberg Simpson > Dont rokh the boat
  318. [ 2015.01.19 22:18:58 ] aky chikuma > for incursions Vindi is the best thing for blasters XD
  319. [ 2015.01.19 22:19:16 ] Iceberg Simpson > Id just avoid the rokh... I call it the "rokh trap"
  320. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:10 ] Mars Ultar > im a caldari/gallente pilot. vindi is an awesome ship, but thats another month of training
  321. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:21 ] Iceberg Simpson > Think of it this way
  322. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:25 ] aky chikuma > Mars Ultar yea but its worth it
  323. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:36 ] Iceberg Simpson > Rokh is a red headed step child... its a caldari blaster boat with no clear training path towards a pirate hull
  324. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:43 ] Nade'em > o/
  325. [ 2015.01.19 22:21:46 ] Iceberg Simpson > If you train gallente + hybrids, youre halfway to a vindi
  326. [ 2015.01.19 22:22:06 ] aky chikuma > yea go hyperion for t1 incurion hull XD
  327. [ 2015.01.19 22:22:46 ] Iceberg Simpson > The rokh is just an awkward ship. A lot of newbros fly them but you will end up having to cross train into gallente/min eventually or just give up hybrids altogether and get a nightmare
  328. [ 2015.01.19 22:24:30 ] Mars Ultar > i see your point.
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